Sökandet efter Nels E Anderson...
November 10, 2011
The weekly magazine with your article is about to come out.
Please send me your (your, Bruces and Glens) addresses as soon as possible!
Love and take care!
Monica
November 25, 2011
Hello Monica,
Larsa posted the article on my FaceBook wall, and it's beautiful - thank you so much! Is there a way I can purchase copies of the actual magazine - is it available online?
Lynn
November 27, 2011
Hi Lynn, Bruce and Glen,
I didn´t know that Larsa knew about the article.
Magazines are on their way to you all. The paper is not published at internet but I put it here for you:
http://slaktbloggen.blogspot.com/2011/11/nar-amerikafararnas-barn-kommer-hem.html
where I usually write about geneology.
I suppose you can put the article in Google translate if Glen do not translate it for you.
And I really hope you are satisfied with it. I loved to write it.
There is a tv-serie going on called "All for Sweden" (crazy title). Ten americans are here searching for their roots.
Most of it is in English. Therefore I think it might give you pleasure.
You will for a while find it here: http://svtplay.se/t/167318/allt_for_sverige
I hope you will enjoy the programs
Love
Monica
November 28, 2011
Hi Monica,
The article is wonderful and I look forward to receiving the magazine. The link to the All For Sweden said it was available in Sweden only, due to copyright laws, so I couldn't see it.
What a great opportunity to trace our roots and thank you to everyone for making it possible.
Lynn
November 30, 2011
Hi Lynn,
I came to think of your grandmother Mabel.
As far as I remember her mother was from Norway and her father was from Sweden.
Probably none of them were born here.
Can you please try to find out something about them and about their parents?
If you can I can do some genealoby reserch here for you.
Try Ancestry.com. I think one can use it for free for a week or so.
I am sure you will be able to find enough for me to go on with here.
My problem is the language.
Take care!
Monica
November 30, 2011
Hey Dad, please tell we what you remember about Grandma Mabel and I will go to that website Ancestry.com that Monica mentions.
December 1, 2011
That's great info, Dad, and I'm sharing it with Monica!
In a message dated 11/30/2011 8:25:43 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, brugu29@msn.com writes:
Here are a few words about my mom and dad, and aunts and uncles, and grand parents...I still have a cassette by Gilda as taped by Gary Thompson...... Mom was 10 years younger than dad... He was 57 when he died in 1950. I used to visit the farm where mom grew up when I was little.
The Engens had a son, Ed Junior, who died. The younger son, Keith lives in Germany, where he was "Singer of the Court" durning his opera career.
Mom was a nurse when she met dad, after he was in the hospital in Duluth with a ruptured appendix. I was born in April, 1929, and sister Karen and brother Warren followed. Dad died in 1950. Mom remarried about 4 years later, to Duke DeLaFarait......Later they divorced. They were living in San Diego by then. Mother died while in Las Cruces, New Mexico, visiting my sister, Karen.
I was the youngest of the 3 cousins I had near my age in the Sanborn area. They were lots of fun to visit! There were more younger ones, too.
I hope this is of some help. Monica did a GREAT job on that magazine!!
Pa
December 1, 2011
Hi Lynn,
This is exciting but not enough.
Try to find Nils Andersson and Karin in any country if you can. Ha ha ha...
I need to know the name, birth date and place of birth for the first one you can find (Nils Andersson or his parents) and (Karin "familyname" or her parents) born in Sweden and Norway. Especially if the name is Nils Andersson and Karin. There are thousends...
That means that you have to do some reserach by yourself to give me something to start with.
Please try: Ancestry.com http://www.ancestry.com/
It is not expensive.
Give it a few hours and you will find the dates. When your ancesters are born in Sweden/Norway I will be able to do the rest hopefully.
I am leaving for Spain for a week but I will bring the computer...
Take care!
Monica
January 16, 2012
I didn't have much luck with the Search thing, but maybe when you get the
disc with LeRoy talking about Norway, and relations it will be of some
help.....also Aunt Gilda's story of the family's history should be good.
Hope these old photos are of interest to you, too.. Some were copies of
prints I made for Grace Angvik, who just passed away a few years ago....at
over 100!
We sure enjoyed the magazines!! Thanks!....Love, Bruce
#1..Mom, Oliver, Gilda, Myrtle
#2 Oliver, Anita, Uncle Andrew, Myrtle, Aunt Gertie, Mom. Dad, Gilda, Ingvalld
#3 ? Uncle Mike, ? Gertie, Katen, ?, Andrew
#4 ? Uncle Andrew, ?, Grace, Art (standing)
#5 The Nels Andersons
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| Mom, Oliver, Gilda, Myrtle |
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| Oliver, Anita, Uncle Andrew, Myrtle, Aunt Gertie, Mom. Dad, Gilda, Ingvalld |
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| ? Uncle Mike, ? Gertie, Katen, ?, Andrew |
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| ? Uncle Andrew, ?, Grace, Art (standing) |
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| The Nels Andersons |
January 17, 2011
Hi Bruce
Thanks for the pics! They are fantastic!
I am glad you enjoyed the magazine. It went out well - thanks to you!
Wow!
If I´m not mistaken...
Nels Anderson gave you your eyes! Glen and Lynn got that special look as
well!
He must have been a strong man...
About Ancestry: http://www.ancestry.com
Both username and code:
My membership for 30 days
I used hours just to find you in the 1930 census since your fathers name was
Gustafs for example.
The problem is that Gustafson is a common name.
To my opinion the databases at Ancestry.com are not so good but they are all
we got.
Please search again. It is probably our only chance.
You have to try different spelling, different addresses, different names and
so on.
For example:
Think of 1930. Where do you think they lived that year?
1920 and 1910?
Did they really lived in Wisconsin? Or in Minnesota? Do you know the name of the city or the village.
Are you shure his wifes name was Karen?
Did your mother used the name Anderson as unmarried?
Please try different kind of information. You are the key to information here, dear Bruce.
The Nels Andersons are there. We just have to find them!
You also have other databases for normalisation, marriges, death, military WWI and WWII -
Press Search and you will find them all. Please!
Did you ever hear at what time they arrived to the US?
Did you ever hear anything about their families in Sweden and Norway?
Are there any letters left or photos from their families. If so, look at the backside where people used to write information. As in bibles.
Do you know when and where the Andersons died? Is there a gravestone with information?
Is there a preast, office, friend, relatives, newspaper or whatever that one can call to ask for information? The name of the place where they lived and the dates when they were born
would probably help a lot. Even the dates when they died since that can give us the dates for birth.
It is really a detectives work, 007...
You can also try to find interesting information at the http://www.geneologybank.com.
username:
code:
I think I have the membership for 30 days.
I will send this to Lynn as well. Maybe she can help us...
All the best and take care!!!
Monica
January 17, 2012
Here are a couple more photos...... Uncle Ed Engen holding a fish, and the farm house on Swede Avenue near Sanborn, Wisconsin. Sanborn had a cheese factory where the relatives used to sell their milk....At one time I remember there were 3 businesses owned by my relations........
Hey Dad - how about if we have lunch Friday afternoon, then spend some time researching on the internet? We'll see what we can dig up!
January 18, 2012
Hi Lynn!
I found them!
Thanks to Edward Engen. Searching for him 1900 I found the family.
This is how the family shows in the different Censuses:
1900
Nels E Andersson, 39, was a farmer.
Born july 1860 in Sweden
Emigration 1891
Lives in Sanborn, Ashland, Wisconsin.
Married to Carrie Andersson born in dec 1865 i Norway.
Emigration: 1885.
Married: 1898.
They had been married for two years 1900 and had the daughter Gilda C who was one years old.
They also had her son Edward T Engen, 11, from an earlier marrige
1910
Mes Anderson (Nels Anderson) born 1861 (49 years)
Lived in Mason, Bayfield, Wisconsin.
Emigration 1890.
Carrie Andersen was born 1866 in Norway.
Emigration 1886.
They had the following children: Oliver, 9, the twins Myrtie och Mable, 7, and Rachel, 3.
Margrete Olsson, 51, - whoever she was - lived in the family.
1920
Nels Anderson is a farmer born 1861.
The family lives in White River, Ashland, Wisconsin.
Emigration 1888.
Carrie Andersson was born about 1865 in Norway.
Emigration 1887.
The children Gilda, Maybel, Myrtie och Rachel is in the house. They are 20, 16 och 13
år gamla. Oliver married and moved.
1930
Nels Anderson was born 1861. He is no longer a farmer but a pensionist.
Lives in White River, Ashland, Wisconsin.
Emigration 1888.
She is called Kate Anderson born 1867.
Emigration 1887 or 1889 (hard to read).
Oliver lives in the sam household. He is now the farmer instead of his father.
He has two kids with his wife Anita.
Unfortunatly that´s all I found.
To find Nels Anderson in Sweden we have to know at least his date of birth, the name of his parents and the place where he came from.
The same goes för Carrie.
- Did they went to USA by themselves or with their parents?
- Where in Sweden/Norway did they come from?
- Passport
- Military service
- Death
And so on...
Someone inhereted the farm. Probably Oliver. There must be a testamony somewhere. One have to use once imagination maximally.
Someone must know.
Searching for Sanborn+wisconsin+genealogy I found:
http://www.roadsidethoughts.com/wi/sanborn-twnof-genealogy.htm
http://www.faqs.org/people-search/sanborn-wisconsin/
http://www.histopolis.com/Place/US/WI/Ashland_County/Sanborn
http://www.genealoger.com/wisconsin/Counties/manitowoc%20county.htm
Maybe it is not Sanborn?
http://www.genealoger.com/wisconsin/wi_maps.htm
Maybe there is someone in Sanborn to ask?
http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/genInfo.php?locIndex=24479
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January 19, 2012
I went to the website and did some research and have found the following:
Mabel Gertrude Anderson - born 2/15/1903 - Sanborn, Ashland, Wisconsin,
Myrtle Janet Anderson - all other info same as Mabel
No First or Middle Name Anderson - female born 12/7/1906 - all other info same, except FHL # is 1306421 Must have been Rachel, per the 1910 Census.
Now, here's where it got kind of fun - I still haven't gotten farther up the family tree, but see them on a 1910 US Census. No longer an "I" in his name, it is side noted as Nels Anderson, but listed (misspelled?) as Mes Anderson. I know it's the correct family because everything else matches:
In 1910, he (Mes/Nels) was 49 years old and lived in Mason, Bayfield, Wisconsin. Born in 1861 in Sweden, immigrated in 1890. Married to Carrie Anderson (44 years old in 1910). Children and their ages at the time: Gilda (4, but there is an 11 listed, also), Oliver (9), Mabel and Myrtle (7), Rachel (3) and there is a Margret Olson listed with age 57 and 51 listed. I wonder who she was, living with them in 1910? I think the 2 ages are from where handwriting couldn't be read. (1910 US Federal Census FHL #1375713).
I have printed these pages out and will show you on Friday, Dad. Monica, would you like me to scan and e mail them to you? That was interesting and I'll see if I can look back farther when my dad and I get onto the website Friday afternoon.
January 19, 2012
Wow!
Congratulations!
I also was lucky today...
See what I found:
1900
Nels E Andersson, 39, was a farmer.
Born july 1860 in Sweden
Emigration 1891
Lives in Sanborn, Ashland, Wisconsin.
Married to Carrie Andersson born in dec 1865 i Norway.
Emigration: 1885.
Married: 1898.
They had been married for two years 1900 and had the daughter Gilda C who was one years old.
They also had her son Edward T Engen, 11, from an earlier marrige
1910
Mes Anderson (Nels Anderson) born 1861 (49 years)
Lived in Mason, Bayfield, Wisconsin.
Emigration 1890.
Carrie Andersen was born 1866 in Norway.
Emigration 1886.
They had the following children: Oliver, 9, the twins Myrtie och Mable, 7, and Rachel, 3.
Margrete Olsson, 51, - whoever she was - lived in the family.
1920
Nels Anderson is a farmer born 1861.
The family lives in White River, Ashland, Wisconsin.
Emigration 1888.
Carrie Andersson was born about 1865 in Norway.
Emigration 1887.
The children Gilda, Maybel, Myrtie och Rachel is in the house. They are 20, 16 och 13
år gamla. Oliver married and moved.
1930
Nels Anderson was born 1861. He is no longer a farmer but a pensionist.
Lives in White River, Ashland, Wisconsin.
Emigration 1888.
She is called Kate Anderson born 1867.
Emigration 1887 or 1889 (hard to read).
Oliver lives in the sam household. He is now the farmer instead of his father.
He has two kids with his wife Anita.
We must try so identify Nels and Carrie somehow. We need date of birth, emigration papers, passports and what ever.
Do you know if their parents also went to the US?
Have you - or Bruce I mean - ever heard where they came from in Sweden/Norway?
Love and take care!
Monica
January 20, 2012
Dear Lynn,
As far as I understand your grandmothers brother Oliver inherited the farm in White River. Maybe his family is still at the farm? 2nd or 3rd cousins of yours. If you don´t want to call them I can do it.
There must be some papers left after Nels and Carrie. Maybe at the city hall, on gravestones or somewhere else that can give us the exact date of birth if Ancestry can´t give us the answer.
There were several hundreds Nils Andersson born 1860 or 1861 in Sweden 1880 when a Census was done. To find the right one will be a job. I have to look in all churchbooks for the right date of birth if we are lucky enogh to find it. Then I have to find a note that he left for Amerika 1888-1891.
Maybe Nels and Carrie had siblings or parents in the US. Please ask your father for every little detail. Everything is important.
I read in your mail that her family name was Thompson. It is not a common name in Scandianvia. Her name probably was Karin and possibly Tomsson or in fact Tomssen since she cam from Norway. But she must have been married Engen since your father remember that she was a widdow and mother to Edward Engen.
It´s a mystery.
Maybe all the genealogists in Wisconsin can help...
I keep my fingers crosst that you will come up with something...
Love
Monica
January 20, 2012
Hi Monica,
I think I have good news! My dad's sister, Karen, was a Mormon, and they are very much interested in genealogy, so I bet Mabel's side of the family is already traced. The reason I'm remembering this now is because on the Ancestry website, there is a family tree named Biamont including Andrew Angvik (Mabel's uncle) that has a contact name of Causey - and both are last names of my cousins! I'm going to send an e mail to Neva and tell her that you have been successful in tracing our grandfather's side of the family and started to check into my grandmother's side. I will be curious what they already know, or need to know, about Agaton's side.
I'll let you know what I find out - would it be OK to give your email address to her? I'll ask her the same thing and maybe we can get a group e mail circulating around with information.
The DVD my dad sent to you is great - filled with names and places. I think you'll enjoy it.
Lynn
January 21, 2012
Hi Lynn,
Oh I hope you are right.
Of course! The mormons!
In fact I am friend with some of the Biamonts at Facebook.
Please ask them for information. I prefer you will do it since I find it hard to express myself in English. It would be very interesting to get to know about Nels and Carrie and find out who they were.
I have been looking for him in Sweden Census 1880 for several hours now. Finally I come to think of that his name was Nels E Anderson. 1880 we only had 17 Nils E Andersson in Sweden. So I wonder, do you know what E stood for. If we can get his E-name and the date of birth I think I can find him here
Please give her my address. Your idea with a e-mail-group is perfect.
I am sorry I bother you so much...
Give my love to Bruce!
Take care!
Monica
January 21, 2012
That's great, Neva, thank you! I'll send to my dad and brother, too, so they can see how the wheels are turning. I do see in my e mail that I have some errors (Leroy's mother is correctly mention as Gertie, but also incorrectly listed as Gilda) and omissions (Andrew Angvik had two daughers - Grace and Ruthie), but I think we're starting to get some good information gathered!
Lynn
In a message dated 1/21/2012 10:22:08 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, neva_causey@cox.net writes:
Dear Lynn and Monica,
Family history is a passion for me...I wish I had more time for the research. I get started and before you know it hours have past and people are hungry and it is dark outside. Here is some of the information I have on our grandparents, great grandparents and great great grandparents.
Mabel Gertrude Anderson was born 15 February 1903 in Sanborn Wisconsin, died 10 February 1970 in Las Cruces New Mexico. She married Gustav Agaton Gustavsson on 10 December 1927 in Duluth Minnesota. He was born on 14 December 1892 in Ed Sweden, died 5 September 1950 in Duluth Minnesota.
Mabel's parents are Nels Anderson born on 29 July 1860 in Dalarna Dalslenning Sweden, died 17 May 1943. He married Karen Myren Angvik on 26 June 1898 in Ashland County Wisconsin. She was born 14 December 1866 in Angvik Norway, died 25 September 1942.
Nels parents are Knub Eric Anderson and Karin Erickson.
Karen's parents are Torres Myren Angvik born 25 January 1825 in Angvik Norway, died April 1920. Gunhild Fostervold born 12 October 1836 in Angvik Norway, died 1913. They were married on 22 April 1863 in Angvik Norway.
(THIS IS NOT GREGGS FAMILY)
Gustav's parents are Olle Gustav Andersson born 6 November 1854 in Side North Farm froskog Sweden. He married Anna Lena Andreasdotter on 16 February 1877 in Ed Sweden. She was born 16 October 1857 in Ed Sweden.
Olle's parents are Anders Olsson born 11 September 1830 in Side North Farm Froskog Sweden. He married Anna Stina Andersdotter born 3 October 1836 in Djupviken Sweden, died 1930.
This should help you get started filling in some blanks. If you have any information that is missing from what I have sent you here, please send it my way. I have more to send to you and please let me know if there is anyone in particular that you are looking for and I will see if I have any information on them as well.
Love to you both,
Neva
January 21, 2012
Wow!
Thank you both! This is great.
However, I did search in our Census for 1880 but can´t find your Nels Andersson and his parents.
Maybe Nils lived in Norway at the time?
Maybe the family did not live together? Maybe one of them was dead?
Besides,
"Dalarna" is a part of Sweden like Minnesota in the US.
"Dalslänning" means a man living in Dalsland, that is another part of Sweden - the same part as Gustaf Agaton came from.
It will be a lot of searching to find Nils! Therefore I ask you Neva:
- Are you already familiar with Knut Erik Andersson and his wife Karin Eriksson? In that case it is foolish for me to search for them. Do you for example know their dates of birth? Anything else?
Correct??
- Are you familiar with the forfathers of Anders Olsson and Anna-Stina Andreasdotter? If not I have a lot of material for you.
Anders Olsson and Anna Stina
!
Olof Gustaf Andersson - His brother was Anton Andersson
! !
Gustaf Agaton Gustafsson Gunnar Antonsson
! !
Bruce / Karen Ann Arne Antonsson
! !
Lynn / Bruce / Neva Monica
Love to you all
Monica
January 22, 2012
Ok, here is some more of what I have for some of the family members Monica
has replied about:
I have no other information on Knub Erik Andersson and Karin Eriksson just
their namesaand that they had two sons.
Nels Anderson born 29 Jul 1860 died 17 May 1943
Erick Anderson born 21 Feb 1869 died 24 Mar 1965
Erick married a Margreta Olson on 27 Feb 1897 in Ashland, Ashland, WI. She
was born 20 Jul 1876 and died 28 Jun 1948.
Erick and Margreta had:
Oscar Nicholas born Feb 1898 died in 1902
Alfred Edward born 11 Jun 1900 died 20 Jul 1930
George Richard born 22 Feb 1902 died 3 Oct 1992 - he married Lucille Mary
Seim who was born in 1909.
Freida Theresa 30 Oct 1904 died ?
Ida born in 1906 died in 1908
Anna Florence born 24 Jun 1912 died ? or still living.
I have that all the children were born in White River, Ashland, WI except
for Ida listed as born in Trout Creek, Ashland, WI.
I don't have any marriage information for Anders and Anna Stina. Anders
Olsson was born 11 Sep 1830 in Side North Farm, Froskog, Sweden and died ?
Anna Stina Andresdotter born 3 Oct 1836 in Djupviken, Sweden died in 1930.
Their children:
Olle Gustav Andersson born 6 Nov 1854 Side North Farm, Froskog, Sweden
Augusta 'Mala' Andersdotter born 1857 , Froskog, Sweden
Amanda Anderdotter born 1869 , Froskog, Sweden
Anna Andersdotter born 1872 , Froskog, Sweden
Vendela Andersdotter born 1873/1874 , Froskog, Sweden
Anton Andersson born 1875 , Froskog, Sweden
Hulda Andersdotter born 1882 , Froskog, Sweden. I don't have any death dates
for these children.
Olle married Anna Lena Andreasdotter 16 Feb 1877. She was born 16 Oct 1857
in Ed, Sweden died ?
I have that they have 13 children.
Anna married Jan Magnus Ottosson no dates for marriage birth or death for
him. I have that they had two children.
Neva
January 22, 2012
Thanks Neva!
It´s a great story. I will provide you all with information about Agatons
family. I know some of you have our book but Glen is the only one able to
read it so I will do a Family Tree for you of that side.
The problem with Nils and Erik Andersson is that all their names are so
common.
As it seams now the family did not live in Sweden 1880.
Therefore,
my question is:
Do you know if Nels and Eric Anderssons parents also went to America? I
mean, if the family went together?
I´m searching...
January 22, 2012
It is really strange that your grandmother Mabel and her twin sister died so close to eachother, Mabel Feb 10 and Myrtle March 2, 1970. Do you know the cause of death?
Mes - as Nels Anderson is called in one of the cencuses - is no name. In Swedish in fact it is a type of birds. I checked the original list. It says Nels. Someone could not read doing the database.
It is strange that Karen (married to Nels Anderson) is called Carrie and Kate in the Censuses. Her original name probably was Karin. I will try to check that.
Did her (Karen married to Nels Anderson) parents and siblings as well lived in Amerika?
January 22, 2012
Hi Monica,
There is a lot of information being shared, this is great! May I do some research on my mother's side during your 30 day use of Ancestry.com? I am getting curious about more history and would love to do some other searches.
Lynn
January 22, 2012
But of course...
Go ahead, dear Lynn!
Besides,
I just found this: https://www.familysearch.org/
It´s for free...
January 22, 2012
Hi folks...
It is really strange that your grandmother Mabel and her twin sister died so
close to eachother, Mabel Feb 10 and Myrtle March 2, 1970.
Do you know the cause of death?
Mes - as Nels Anderson is called in one of the cencuses - is no name. In
Swedish in fact it is a type of birds.
I checked the original list in the Census. It says Nels. Someone could not
read properly when writing the database.
It is strange that Karen (married to Nels Anderson) is called Carrie and
Kate in the Censuses. Her original name was probably was Karin.
A lot of the Norwegian names are wrong. I wonder how Guriana/Gertie (mother
of Leroy) was able to do the genealogy.
Did her (Karen married to Nels Anderson) parents and siblings as well lived
in Amerika?
Trowheim in Norway where the Angsvik came from is called Trondheim.
About Gunhild Fostervold (sounds correct) see:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=100135727369&lds=1®ion=12&frompage=99
And I found: http://familysearch.org
There I found Nels Andersson marrige to Carrie Engen (27 juni 1898) and his
brother Eriks marrige to Margaret (27 feb 1897)
I could not find the same nots at Ancestry.
When Nels married it says that his mother was Karia Erikson and his father
Andrew Erikson.
When Erik married it says that his mother was Karl Erickson and his father
Anders Erickson
Their real name must have bin Erik and Karin Eriksson. I will try to find
them in our databases and church books.
Unfortunatly they also have very common namnes.
That means that
The namne Knub Eric Anderson must be wrong, Neva.
When it comes to Erik there are problems in the censuses.
1910 he is called Harry Anderson born 1869 in Sweden, living at White River,
Ashland, Wi. Immigrated 1890 (one year after Nels). He was married to
Margeret Anderson and had the children Alfred E, Geo R and Frida. Together
with the family lives Margerets parents, the Olsons and some others.
1920 Erik is called Alex (Eiea) Anderson married to Marguerite Anderson. Now
he immigrated 1891 and is born about 1870. Together with them lives Alfred
E, Richard G, Fredia E, Annie F and grandma Anna Olsson
But it doesn´t help so far. I can´t find them in the Swedish censuses.
Question to Lynn.
I think it was you who yesterday told us that when Nels house burnt down his
brother ARON build a new house for him. Is it possible that ARON also is
ERIC, ALEZ, HARRY or were there more then two brothers?
And now I have to work...
Have a nice Sunday. My is over...
Love
Monica
From Anbytarforum:
January 22, 2012
Hej Monica!
Jag tror att det är denna familj du efterlyser. Skicka gärna allt du har om denna familj i amerika då jag försöker söka reda på alla som emigrerat från Elfdahlen/Älvdalen.
Infl 1835. Eg:"Martis-". Utflyttad till Skön Y 1859-12-03. uä barn 1860 o 1862. Utflyttad till Wåmhus o Kumbelnäs 1865-06-26. Ej m FB!
Gift 1865-10-09 i Wåmhus med
Knubb-Anders Ersson, född 1813-07-24 i Kumbelnäs, Mora, död 1872-12-14 i Kumbelnäs, Wåmhus. Bosatt i Kumbelnäs, Wåmhus. 59 4 20. af Bröstsjukdom. FB:Erik Olsson o Karin Andersdotter. Gift 1/1842 m Kerstin Persdotter 1808-1863.
Barn i giftet:
Knubb-Anders Andersson, född 1866-03-04 i Kumbelnäs, Wåmhus, Ut N Am. Wisconsin 1902-03-10.
Dömd 1890-11-03 för Hemfridsbrott t 2m 15d straffarbete o dömd 1895-07-30 för uppsåtlig misshandel däraf skada t 5 kronors böter. Ut t ”Ashland Wisconsin”. Även Anders Knubb.
Knubb-Erik Andersson, född 1869-02-21 i Kumbelnäs, Wåmhus, Ut t N Am. USA 1891-03-06!.
Dömd 1890-11-03 t 2m 17d fängelse för hemfridsbrott o fylleri.
Knubb-Olof Andersson, född 1872-02-20 i Kumbelnäs, Wåmhus, död 1957-08-16 i Kumbelnäs, Wåmhus. Skogsarbetaren i Kumbelnäs, Wåmhus. U N Am. Ashland Wisconsin 1892-11-05!, åter 1933-04-29 t Kumbelnäs. ogift!
Barn utan känd fader:
Knubb-Nils Erik Andersson, född 1860-07-29 i Garberg 6, Elfdahlen, Ut t N Am. Wisconsin 1888-05-11!. Bosatt i Kumbelnäs, Wåmhus. Ut t Wåmhus o Kumbelnäs 1865. ”Ashland Wisconsin”.
Ej m FB!
Katarina Olivia, född 1862-05-30 i Garberg 6, Elfdahlen, död 1862-09-19 i Garberg 6, Elfdahlen. Bosatt i Garberg 6, Elfdahlen. x 3 19. x. DB:Undersvik. Ej m FB!
MvH Roland Skoglund Uppsala
January 23, 2012
Hi folks!
Yesterday I nearly gave up as you probably noticed. So I did what I usually do in such cases, I did an inquiry (right word?) at a forum for genealogists.
http://aforum.genealogi.se/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=44&post=1150856
There are the very bests genealogist in Sweden answering questions. If there is any information to get you will get it from there.
I got an answer from Annalena Lindenskog who has a special emigration-database - See the forum - and I got an e-mail - see below.
And I suppose it was "Knub" that did it.
As I told you yesterday, in Dalarna they have very special family names telling everybody what family people belong to.
Knubb (sounds crazy and means abolutly nothing) obviously is such a name. I didn´t find it yesterday since it shall be spelt with two b.
Google translates it as Chubby and you can say so for fun if you like but it shall be Knubb even in USA.
Roland Skoglund who sent the letter below obviously has a lot of information. I will speak to him and get more.
And since he is collecting information about everybody who went to America from this special part of Dalarna (Elfdahlen/Älvdalen) I shall give him info as well. It will take some time. But this is the key, a door-opener, and the story is very interesting!
Now we know
- that the biological father of Nels Anderson officially was unknown.
But remember, he might have known that his father was Knubb-Erik Andersson. I shall see if there is such a person in the area.
- The mother of Nels Anderson was Mattis-Katarina Ersdotter born 1833-08-10. See below.
Mattis is a family name such as Kubb. Ers means Erik. Ersdotter means the daugther of Erik.
Sons in older days got the name Eriksson (Erik´s son) Later both girls and boys was called Eriksson. Today there is hardly none who remember this dotter-thing in names.
Mattis-Katarina Ersdotter was married to Knubb-Anders Ersson - who was the father of Erik Anderson (brother of Nels)
A brother of Nels and Erik - Knubb-Olof Anderson - also was in Aschland, Wisconsin, 1892-11-05 to 1933-04-29. He was unmarried. Did you ever hear of him?
Knubb-Erik Anderson was (googletranslation) Convicted 1890-11-03 t 2m 17d jail for trespassing o drunkenness. 2 months and 17 days. That means that he left almost directly after jail to the US. Isn´t it strange that he got in? From what I heard one couldn´t get in if been convicted.
Eriks twin-brother Knubb-Anders Andersson also did somthing.
Google translation:
But stay calm, your Nels Anderson as it seams did do no harm...
Now, we shall see what we can find!
Love
Monica
Google translation
Stupid Google translation:
Hi Monica!
I think it's the family you want. Please send everything you have on this family in America when I try to search out all who emigrated from Elfdahl / valley.
Mattis-Catherine Ersdotter, born 1833-08-10 in Garberg 6, Elfdahl, died 1914-07-27 in Kumbelnäs, Wåmhus. Resident in Garberg 6-Kumbelnäs, Elfdahl-Wåmhus. with age.
Influences the 1835th Eg: "Martis-'. Moved to Fine Y 1859-12-03. ua Children 1860 o 1862nd Moved to Wåmhus o Kumbelnäs 1865-06-26. Not m FB!
Married 1865-10-09 in Wåmhus with
Chubby-Anders Ersson, born 1813-07-24 in Kumbelnäs, Mora, died 1872-12-14 in Kumbelnäs, Wåmhus. Resident in Kumbelnäs, Wåmhus. 59 4 20. of Breast Disease. FB: Erik Olsson O Karin Andersdotter. Married to 1 / 1842 m Kerstin Persdotter 1808-1863.
Children of marriage: (Children Within the MARR)
Chubby-Anders Andersson, born 1866-03-04 in Kumbelnäs, Wåmhus, Out N Am. Wisconsin 1902-03-10.
Convicted 1890-11-03 for trespassing t 2m 15d hard labor o Sentenced 1895-07-30 for intentional mistreatment of it damaging t 5
kronor fine. Out t 'Ashland Wisconsin. " Although Anders chubby.
Chubby-Erik Andersson, born 1869-02-21 in Kumbelnäs, Wåmhus, Ut t N Am. U.S. 1891-03-06:.
Convicted 1890-11-03 t 2m 17d jail for trespassing o drunkenness.
Chubby-Olof Andersson, born 1872-02-20 in Kumbelnäs, Wåmhus, died 1957-08-16 in Kumbelnäs, Wåmhus. Woodman in Kumbelnäs, Wåmhus. U N Am. Ashland Wisconsin 1892-11-05!, Again 1933-04-29 t Kumbelnäs. unmarried!
Children with unknown father (children without known father)
Chubby-Nils Erik Andersson, born 1860-07-29 in Garberg 6, Elfdahl, Ut t N Am. Wisconsin 1888-05-11:.
Resident in Kumbelnäs, Wåmhus. Out t o Wåmhus Kumbelnäs 1865th "Ashland Wisconsin."
Not m FB!
Catherine Olivia, born 1862-05-30 in Garberg 6, Elfdahl, died 1862-09-19 in Garberg 6, Elfdahl. Resident in Garberg 6, Elfdahl. x 3 19. x. DB Undersvik. Not m FB!
Best wishes, Roland Skoglund Uppsala
This is facts from Wikipedia about the Swedish emigration to North America:
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emigrationen_fr%C3%A5n_Sverige_till_Nordamerika
Google translation:
When emigration from Sweden to North America in 1800 - and early 1900s left about 1.3 million Swedes Sweden and moved mainly to the USA. Gradually came back about a fifth of the emigrants to Sweden. The trip to America was by boat across the Atlantic. It is true that the undisturbed soil in the Midwest a strong attraction for poor farmers from all over Europe, but other factors were important factors for many of the immigrants from the Swedes. The Swedish state church's dominance was unpopular, and also the Swedish monarchy's social conservatism and cultural rejection [citation needed]. Population growth and crop failures made conditions in the Swedish countryside at times were difficult. [Citation needed] Stories from previous Swedish emigrants described life in the American Midwest positive and praised the religious tolerance, political freedom and every opportunity that was given to improve their living standards.
The Swedish emigration to North America reached its peak after the American Civil War (1861-65), when Sweden was hit by several years of crop failure towards the end of the 1860s. The U.S. census in 1890 indicated the number of Swedish-Americans to almost 800 000. Most [citation needed] of the immigrants were typical settlers cleared and cultivated the prairie, while others lived in cities, especially Chicago. Young, unmarried women in Sweden had worked as agricultural workers often started directly as domestic workers with families in American cities. Many of the emigrants who established themselves in the U.S. went back to Sweden later in the 1800s, and there are many stories of how their customs and habits had changed. Some returned to spend his last years in Sweden, but many changed their minds [citation needed] when they were met by what they saw as an arrogant aristocracy, a rough and broken working class and disrespect for women.
After a slight decline in the 1890s increased emigration again and led to nationwide concern in Sweden showed the Swedish parliament to appoint emigration investigation 1907th The recommended social and economic reforms to reduce emigration by "assimilate and remelted it real good, which is in America." The study supported the demands for reform, including universal suffrage, better housing (mortgage business) and better school system. The impact of these measures is difficult to estimate since the First World War (1914-18) broke out the year after the Commission published its latest report. Emigration ceased almost entirely, to pick up speed again in the 1920s but stopped as the U.S. immigration quotas by the end of the decade.
Early History: A Swedish American dream [edit] Main article: New Sweden
The very first wave of emigration from Sweden to North America consisted of those who created the colony of New Sweden along the Delaware River in the 1630s. It was the smallest and most ephemeral of the European colonial possessions and it is estimated that there were at most 700 to 800 Swedes and Finns in the colony. The colony was conquered by the Netherlands in 1655 and incorporated in the colony of New Netherland. Although it went on the original Swedish settlers to speak Swedish well into the 1700s.
The historian H. Arnold Barton has concluded that an important consequence of the establishment of New Sweden, was that it created a strong and vital interest to America. During the Enlightenment saw America as a land of freedom and became an ideal of liberal Swedes. Their admiration for America was combined with the ideas of a Swedish golden age and idealized theories about the Old Norse heritage. Corrupted by foreign influence was the timeless "Swedish values" could be grown by the Swedes in the New World. This would remain a consistent theme in the Swedish, Swedish-American and later, the discourse on America, even if the "timeless" values changed with time. During the 1600 - and 1700's were Swedes who argued for religious tolerance rely on America as a prime example. The focus went from religion to politics in the 1800s when the Liberals in the hierarchical Swedish class saw more admiration of the American Republic and its citizens' rights. During the 1900s included the Swedish-American dream through a welfare state with responsibility for its citizens' welfare. The common denominator for these changing ideas was a common thread that reappeared in the 1900s: America as the symbol for and dream of the freedom of individualism. [1]
The Swedish debate on America remained largely theoretical before the 1800s because the Swedes had very limited experience of North American conditions. Emigration was illegal and the population was regarded as a national asset. [2] The Swedish population doubled between 1750 and 1850, [3] which led to fears of overcrowding and population growth began to exceed the economic development that was based on Thomas Malthus's theories. Not until the 1830s was repealed laws prohibiting emigration. [4]
1800s [edit]
European mass migration: causes [edit]
Ad from 1868 in Helsingen that America Travelers' probably sooner rather would rather condition the seats, because the price is likely becometh higher later on. "Large-scale European emigration to the United States began in the 1800s in Britain and Germany, followed by a steady increase in emigration from most Nordic countries and later from Central and southern Europe. Research on the factors affecting this mass migration are based on advanced statistical methods. [5] One theory that has received widespread support in the scientific community is H. Jerome's analysis from 1926 of "push and pull" factors, conditions that stimulated emigration in the United States and Europe. Jerome found that variations in the amount of emigrants co-vary more with economic development in the U.S. than in Europe, and concluded that "pull" (good economic opportunities in the U.S.) was stronger than 'push' (difficult conditions in Europe). [6] Jerome's conclusions has been questioned but is still the basis for much of what has been written about the subject. [7] In the case of Sweden, it was clear that it was during the famine years 1867-1869 as emigration grew into a genuine mass movement. In those starving emigrants almost 60 000 Swedes, more than twice as many as during the whole period 1851-67. [8]
Emigration Patterns in the Nordic countries show many striking differences. The mass exodus began in Norway, which also had the highest proportion of immigrants in the 1800s. The Swedish emigration began in the early 1840's and was third in Europe after Ireland and Norway. Denmark had a constant low rate of emigration, while Iceland soon reached a level that was comparable to Norway. Finland, where the mass exodus did not begin until the late 1880s, is usually considered part of the Eastern European emigration wave
Crossing the Atlantic [edit]
Emigrants by Knut Ekwall (1843-1912) is an artistic vision of how the transatlantic experience might have seemed. Unknown datum.De first European emigrants traveled in cargo holds of the sail-powered cargo ship. With the penetration of the steam engine was established more efficient passenger service across the Atlantic in the late 1860s. It was based on huge liners operated by international shipping companies as Cunard Line, White Star and Inman Line. As the speed and capacity of the great steamships increased ticket was cheaper. Transport company organized the often long and complicated journey to America from the port cities such as Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmo. North German agents often used the route between Stockholm and Lubeck, where the emigrants were sent by train to Hamburg or Bremen. From there they were shipped to Southampton or Liverpool in England and switched to one of the great transatlantic ships bound for New York. The majority of the Swedish emigrants went, however, via Gothenburg to Hull and then went by train through England to Liverpool and the great steamboats. [10]
In the late 1800s financed the large carriers Swedish emigration agents and paid the printing of large quantities of emigration propaganda. Much of the material, such as leaflets, produced by immigration advocates in the United States. Propaganda and advertising companies' often blamed to fuel the exodus of the conservative Swedish elite which had become increasingly concerned about ensuring the workforce to leave the country. Blaming emigration wave of shipping promotions and low fares became a popular cliche in the 1800s, but is something that shares the scientific community today. Brattne and Akerman has done research in promotions and ticket prices as a contributing factor, but found no conclusive evidence that they affect emigration. Although the companies as late as 2007 are reluctant to open their archives to indicate the limited amount of resources on that ticket prices have declined during the 1880s, but was still more expensive than they should have been due to price-fixing. [11] On the other hand, points out HA Barton to cost of crossing the Atlantic fell sharply between 1865 and 1890, and encouraged the poor Swedes to emigrate. [12] Brattnes and Åkermans research has shown that the flyers that shipping companies pressed put more emphasis on comfort and the benefits that go with individual companies than the good conditions in the New World. The description of America was not flattering and the general advice given was short and factual. Advertising in newspapers were common but were often monotonous and stereotype. [13]
Mid-1800s [edit]
Emigrants of SW Helander (1839-1901): a young farmer takes a subdued farewell to friends and släkt.Den Swedish mass emigration took off in the spring of 1841 when Gustaf Unonius (1810-1902) moved with his wife, a housemaid and two students left the country . The small group founded a settlement they called New Upsala ("New location") at Pine Lake, Wisconsin, and began clearing the land reclamation. The group was excited about the settlers and recorded vivid descriptions of the beautiful landscape. [14] Unonius later moved to Chicago where he became disenchanted with life in the United States, but his praise for the simple and virtuous life as settlers were published in the liberal Aftonbladet and had already attracted Swedes to move west.
The increasing exodus was caused by economic, political and religious conditions in Sweden, especially in rural areas. Europe was in the midst of an economic depression. In Sweden, population growth coupled with crop failures it increasingly difficult for people to make a living on small parcels of less than three-quarters of the population were dependent. Conditions in rural areas was particularly difficult in the rocky and unforgiving Smaland, who would become the main source of emigration. The U.S. Midwest was in stark contrast to the south and Unonius described it in a letter in 1842 as an ideal country. [15] There was plenty of fertile präriemark owned by the state. From 1841 it was sold to settlers for $ 1.25 per acre (approximately 4000 square feet) for a new land acquisition law in 1841 (which was replaced by the more famous Homestead Act of 1862). The cheap land in Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin was irresistible to the landless and poor farmers in Europe, and also attracted some well-established farmers.
Political freedom in the American republic was an additional attraction. Swedish farmers were among the most literate in Europe and was therefore influenced by the radical egalitarianism that shook Europe in the 1840s. [16] The political battle between Swedish liberals and the conservative and repressive monarchist regime sharpened political awareness among the unfavorable, and Many saw the U.S. as a way to realize his republican ideals.
Swedish anti-immigration propaganda that shows Per Svensson's dream of an American idyll (left) and his supposed reality of the wilderness (right), where he is threatened by mountain lions, snakes and wild Indians who are in full swing with the scalp of a man. [17] Religious deviants was also resented how they were treated by the Lutheran State Church. Conflicts between Church congregations and splinter groups was at its hottest in the countryside where the pietistic groups were more active and where they were under stricter control of the judiciary and parish priests. Official reprisals against illegal forms of worship had whole groups of pietist to leave the country with the intention to found new spiritual communities in the new country. The largest group, 1,500 followers of Erik Jansson, left Sweden in the late 1840s and founded the village of Bishop Hill, Illinois. [18]
The first travel guide for emigrants was already 1841 when Unonius left the country and another nine were published between 1849 and 1855. [19] Large amounts of woodcutters and iron miners were recruited for work in the U.S. directly into Sweden by company agents. The agents who recruited laborers to build the American railroads appeared for the first time in 1854, when they sought employment to the Illinois Central Railroad. [20]
The Swedish establishment was very critical of the exodus. It was seen as an impoverishment of the workforce and insubordination among the lower classes and both spiritual and temporal authorities were deeply concerned. Many emigrants diaries and memoirs describing the characteristic scenes of the local parish priest warns that those who emigrate: danger of his soul among foreign heretics. The conservative press wrote that emigrants lacked patriotism and moral strength, and that was generally "no worker more lazy, immoral and indifferent than those who emigrate to other places." [21] The exodus was denounced as an irrational "mania", a "craze" and foreign interests cheated in the Swedish peasant. The liberal press responded by pointing out that "monarchy mens servants" were indifferent to the miserable conditions prevailing in the Swedish countryside and the economic and political institutions backwardness. [22] in 1851 commented liberal Göteborgs Trade and Sjöfartstidning sarcastically: "Well well! Daniele Manin want to eat his fill, then we have worked hungry! passion to want in an honest way to support themselves and their family. "[23]
The late 1800s [edit]
Women farm workers on a sugar beet plantation in the late 1800s. Processing of sugar beet remained a labor-intensive and non-mechanized, low-wage occupation through the 1800s and fattened workers' dreams of new possibilities and a modernized agriculture in America.
A steam-powered tröskmaskin near Hallock, Minnesota, 1882.Den Swedish emigration to the United States peaked in the decades following the Civil War (1861-65). The estimated number of Swedish-Americans in 1865 was estimated at about 25,000, a figure that soon exceeded by the annual migration. 1890 reported the U.S. Census to the Swedish-American population approaching 800,000 people, with new peaks in immigration in 1869 and 1887. [24] Most settled in the north. The vast majority had been farmers in their home country and had left Sweden because of the devastating crop failures [25] and had also been lured to America by the large supply of cheap land made available in the Homestead Act 1862nd Most immigrants were settlers who cleared and tilled up the pristine land in the Midwest and expanded settlement westward into Kansas and Nebraska. [26] When the large Swedish peasant communities formed on the prairie was the personal contact with their home country the greatest driving force for continued emigration. The classic American letters to friends and family ingjöt great confidence because it was based on common values and experiences. When emigration was at its height led American letters to knock almost totally depopulated many parishes and dissolved the close-knit communities that then reunited in the American Midwest. [19]
Although other forces seemed to attract immigrants to the cities, especially Chicago. According H.A. Barton dropped the price to cross the Atlantic more than 50% between 1865 and 1890 and led to the impoverishment of Swedes contributed to the steady stream of emigrants (compare however with Brattne and Akerman, see "Crossing the Atlantic," above). The new immigrants were increasingly young and unmarried. When individuals rather than whole families began to emigrate became more apparent Americanization as young and unmarried, without savings, they took jobs that were offered, often in cities. Even many who were previously farmers in Sweden, made their way directly to cities and continued to live there at least until they had accumulated enough capital to get married and buy their own farm. [27] An increasing proportion remained in the cities, and contributed not only to increased emigration, but also the migration from rural to urban, which was prevalent in Europe. [28]
"A childhood acquaintance, much changed": young Swedish peasant women often became quickly sophisticated after the move to Amerika.Ogifta young women, a group that Barton considers to be particularly significant, went straight from the farm work in Sweden to be inherent maids in American cities. "Literature and tradition have often preserved the tragic image of the immigrant nybyggarhustrun and art," writes Barton, "who lived through the trials, distress and loss in the untamed frontier country ... much more common among the new arrivals, however, was the young unmarried women ... As domestic workers in America ... they were treated as family members in the households they worked and were regarded as 'ladies' [ladies] of American men who treated them with courtesy and consideration they have never experienced at home. "[29] There were plenty of employment opportunities as Scandinavian Furniture Mite was sought after and they learned the language and culture quickly. The Swedish men on the other hand, was often employed in the Swedish team. The young women often marry with the Swedes and brought with them an enthusiasm for stylish American civility and refinement characterized by middle-class values. Many laudatory descriptions are from the late 1800s to the sophistication, elegance and unmistakable American style as simple Swedish peasant girls brought to them in their new homeland. [30]
As newcomers became Swedes often disliked by native Americans, but when immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe increased dramatically during the 1880s came the Scandinavians in a better light in the Anglo-American eyes. [31] Their way was not as strange: "They are not street vendors, organ-grinder, or beggars, and they do not sell clothes and driving do not pawnbrokers, "wrote the kongregationistiska missionary MW Montgomery 1885;" they do not seek protection under the American flag that among us introduce and promote ... socialism, nihilism, communism ... they are more as Americans than any other foreign nation. "[32] The Scandinavians also welcomed as a Protestant counterweight to the many Irish Catholics who poured into the United States. [20]
A number of well-established Swedish Americans visited Sweden in the 1870s and their comments have given historians a glimpse into the cultural differences that have arisen. A group from Chicago returned home in an attempt to re-settle in Sweden to spend his last years at home, but changed his mind when faced with conditions in Swedish society during the late 1800s. They felt uncomfortable with what they described as class snobbery, widespread drunkenness and a shallow religiosity and went back to America. [33] The most famous returnee author was Hans Mattson (1832-93), an early settler in Minnesota who had served as colonel in the north side during the American Civil War and held the post of Secretary of State in Minnesota. He visited Sweden in 1868-69 to recruit settlers for Minnesota Immigration Board and again in 1870 to attract workers to work on the Northern Pacific Railroad.
1900s [edit] Emigration Survey 1907-1913 [edit] Main article: Emigration Inquiry
Farewell Sermon at large the Customs House in Gothenburg in 1869, before leaving for Amerika.Emigrationen increased again around the turn of the century and reached a new peak in 1903 when 35,000 left the country. The numbers remained high until the first world war and frightened conservatives, who saw it as a challenge to national solidarity, and liberals, who was concerned that the labor necessary for economic development was lost. One fifth of all Swedes were now residing in the United States, [34] and a national consensus gave the mandate for the issue to be investigated. A special Emigration Commission was established and took on the task and published the results in 21 large volumes of what Barton has called a "typical Swedish precision '. [35] The Commission rejected the Conservative proposal to introduce tougher laws against emigration and resulted in the end support for the Liberal line that talked about "to assimilate and remelted it real good, which is in America [...] and so persuade our youth that in his own country to see 'the future of the country' 'by social and economic reforms. High on the list of urgent reforms were universal suffrage (for men), better housing and economic development. Particular emphasis was placed on a broad general education that would speed up the "class and kastskillnadsprincipens driven out of our social life". [36]
Class inequalities in Swedish society was large and was a recurring theme in the Commission's advice. It was mentioned that the main cause in 289 of the personal stories of the investigation. These stories were written by anonymous Swedes in the United States and Canada in response to requests of the Swedish-American newspapers and has great historical value. The overwhelming majority of responses expressed enthusiasm for the new country, and criticized Swedish conditions. Bitter experience of snobbery in Sweden was still alive after 40, 50 years in America. The writers remembered the harsh working conditions, low wages and the harsh poverty in the Swedish countryside. [37]
Just a year after the Commission published its final volume of First World War broke out and stopped efficiently almost all emigration and in the 1920s ended the Swedish mass emigration.
Swedish Americans [edit] Midwest remained the area where the majority of Swedish-Americans lived, but its status as Swedish district are forced during the 1900s: in 1910 lived 54% of Swedish immigrants and their descendants in the Midwest, 15% in the industrial towns of the East and 10% of the West Coast. Chicago was in fact the Swedish-American capital and had 10% of all Swedish-Americans, over 100,000 people. It was the second largest Swedish city in the world after Stockholm. [26]
Swedish Americans defined themselves as both Americans and Swedes, and maintained a fascination with and ties to the homeland. The nostalgic journey home to Sweden, which had begun in earnest in the 1870s continued well into the 1900s, and stories from these trips was a popular material among the Swedish-American publisher. [38] The stories testified mixed feelings, but each new wave of returning Americans experienced a recurring indignation Swedish class snobbery and lack of respect for women, many returned to the Midwest proud of their new American culture. [39]
2000s: the Swedish-American heritage [edit]
The distribution of Swedish Americans in the U.S. in 2000 according to the American folkräkningen.Huvudartikel: Swedish-Americans
In the U.S. 2000 census indicated approximately four million Americans that they had Swedish origin. [40] The actual figure is considered to be much higher and it is estimated that self-defined Swedish Americans in the U.S. soon will be more than nine million Sweden Swedes. [41] Minnesota is the state that has by far the largest population of Swedish descent, 9.6% of the population 2005. [42]
The most famous literary depiction of the Swedish mass emigration is a series of novels The Emigrants (1949-59) of Vilhelm Moberg (1898-1973). The four parts of the epic novel tells the story of an emigrant family through several generations, has sold over two million copies and been translated into over twenty languages. Tetralogy has been filmed by Jan Troell as The Emigrants (1971) and The New Land (1972), which has been the inspiration and foundation of Kristina, a musical by former ABBA members Benny Andersson and Bjorn Ulvaeus in 1995. Swedish Emigrant Institute was founded in Växjö in 1965 with the aim of "preserving archives, interviews and memories from the Swedish emigration era, 1846-1930." [43] In the U.S. there are hundreds of Swedish-American organizations with Swedish Council of America (approx. "Swedish Council in the U.S." ) as the umbrella organization. There are Swedish-American Museums in Philadelphia, Chicago, Minneapolis, and Seattle. [44] Since 1964 highlighted the Scandinavian immigration to the U.S. with Leif Erikson Day. [45]
I don´t know if this is relevant to your family but I found something about emigration from Älvdalen during the 1800-hundreds.
http://home.swipnet.se/emigration_elfdalen/historiken.htm
Here is a google translation:
Emigration from the valley during the 1800s
Kjell Åhs
The following article is a condensed version of an essay, which in autumn 1966 were submitted and presented at the History Department, University of Uppsala. This paper is in turn based on a variety of sources, mainly on the materials available in the parish church records, Solders: Älvdalens parish history, Dalarna Hembygdsbok and Redoubt guard, surviving letters, tape recordings and interviews. For purely practical reasons, the study of time limited to the period 1863-1900.
The main difficulty has been, to determine what was the cause of emigration in each individual case. Since the official documents in this regard has not been so much information to give, you are directed to try to draw a picture of the general condition of the parish during the period in question, and it will lead to search deduce what may have been the driving forces behind emigration decision.
The tables have a division made between men and women. The figure stands before the plus sign refers to men, the figure behind the character of women.
It should be mentioned also, that the figures reported for emigration, only refers to the "legal" migration, ie the persons who in relocation and parish registers be recorded as' emigration to N. America. " In the so-called löslängden, the list of "runaway and missing", found a large number of names. In some cases I have managed to prove, that he went to America, but when this occurred but that he or she collected the movement certificate, I have chosen to provide this information at that. Otherwise there would be an excessive amount of work, if you would try to show where all these "runaway and missing" really went.
Emigration in figures
The tables show that emigration to America began in 1863. Then there were relocations in any uneven pace, up to 1880. After this year, rising emigration rates significantly. If the causes of these phenomena we shall speak later on.
Another interesting factor is that the total number of emigrants, 817 pc, only 167 pc from the villages west of the river, even though the population distribution during this time was such that the West side should have had a greater proportion of immigrants than is currently the case . The explanation for this would be to look at the different supply options were available for the respective parts of the parish. (See Tables Redoubt guard no 52, 1967)
Emigration Causes
As mentioned earlier, one can not determine a definite cause for the respective emigration are. However, it is possible to obtain the general trends, which no doubt strongly interacted to a large part of the parish's population, preferring to leave their country for one, in many cases much more uncertain future in a foreign country.
In general one can say that all emigration is due to famine, and all that they brought with them. Although living conditions from about the 1880s, thanks to the value of the forest, was somewhat more tolerable than before, as was the situation for many, that either by force or willingly sold the farm and instead went to America.
For the 1860s emigrants is also another explanation, namely, the religious conflicts of that time who were in the parish. For this refer to another article in this newspaper.
Nödtiderna has been treated extensively in Älvdalen parish history, parts I and IV, but for context, here's a summary:
Years of famine, but severe crop failure and consequent famine, are common phenomena in the parish's early history.
In a letter of complaint from socknemännen in 1633 we read that "most of us suffer such hunger, the UTI their faces are more like than the dead man than one who lives and spirit failed." Such dismal conditions were to continue. The rebellion in 1743, the so-called "Big Daldansen", certainly had some of their causes of the misery and poverty that prevailed in the upper Dala parishes, and after 1772 and 1773 years of crop failure testified "Committee for Dalortens IMPROVE" that the valley had the deprived of all parishes in the province.
Although the 1800s became obsessed by nödtider. By surviving documents can we get a clearer picture of conditions. Bad harvest years back with eerily regular intervals, to culminate in the 1860s. In 1867 the valley has been called "the last bark bread years." It is therefore not surprising that we encounter the first America-just in this decade.
Even if one could keep away the immediate need, so brought these islands to themselves, that the peasants were forced into debt, partly to obtain grain, partly to get seeds for the coming year. These liabilities were lagging behind for a long time, and it was only after the forest started to give money, you had the opportunity to get rid of these burdens.
Already by 1700 the latter half can of court records to see how Alvdal men find themselves in debt to the people in Falun, the mill owner for the Back service, but most of Mora Men. In 1802 Hjelm wrote in his "History of Elfdals Porphyrverk" that: "It may be assumed for certain that nine-tenths of Elfdals Sockneboer live three-fourths of the year on credit."
The perennial crop failure years put farmers faced with two options: either to let the debt increase, or to sell off and try to create a new future somewhere else, in this case America.
1860s period of many years of famine can be seen as the spark. Whether these nödtider interact with the religious differences which then existed in the parish, however, is unclear. 1868 years of emigration can be attributed to a religious origin, namely the so-called Shakers and their influence on sections of the population. (See Redoubt guard No 39).
That the number of emigrants, after all, is so low during 1860 and 1870 figures would depend on economic circumstances. Even if they sold their farms, so the possibilities to finance an American flight to be small, since we paid the old debts. For 1870, there is another factor, namely the land reform.
A major shift had already been mentioned. Committee for Dalortens IMPROVE had in 1787 advocated a major shift, along with a ban on homesteads was intended to relieve the distress which then prevailed in the parish. The proposal stalled in financial difficulty, and it took until 1856 before the issue was raised by the parish meeting. Something big shift began, however, not until 1870.
It is likely that those at home hoping for better times, since the previous joint forest shifted to the respective landowners, and that this can be seen as an explanation for the 1870s show as low emigration figures. Meanwhile skiftesförrättningarna jobs to certain segments of the population. As the shift progressed, were dashed hopes, and when 1880 comes, the shift has already advanced so far that it can sell either fell right at the allotted forest, or the whole land. By logging prepare additional jobs, and this coupled with the gradually rising prosperity, the revenues from the forest gives the parish, helping to make 1890 a lower emigration figure.
Income Opportunities in earlier times.
The old river valley had two trades of rank, and casks manufacturing, and myrjärnshanteringen. Of these two casks can manufacture be said to have been centered in the villages on the river's west side, while the "Stur-sajduns' inhabitants engaged myrjärnet.
Both of these handling operations are mentioned since long ago. In a treasure length from year 1586 included two farmers in Garbergs village in professional designations are added. The manufacture of casks is certainly much older, and were conducted not only by these two people.
From the 1700s we have two sources, both of which mention both lag as myrjärnssmide, and also gives an idea of these two sysslors location in the parish. So writes Linen in 1734: "Uppom church in valley forge scythes of 200 items at the passport, but below the church housing, 200 of them about, making casks, which they bring down the country and föryttra, partly money, partly for grain."
About 20 years later, in 1757, traveling through the parish Hiilphers "Handtwärcks-men have enough of this FIND: One half Homestead-users are also the silversmith, but the rest of his are all spend."
What myrjärnshanteringen case, it went back to the late 1700's. Around 1760 had 172 tanks been running for "most of the winters," but about 20 years later, of these only 41 of them productive, and this limited extent compared to previous years. What caused this decline is uncertain. A decrease in the ore supply is likely, but another reason may be that at this time began in Dalarna built ironworks, which could produce iron products in a more rational and therefore cheaper.
The report to the Committee for Dalortens IMPROVE left, was among other things. a. a result, the funding was for "the foundation for Elfdals Porphyrverks companies... with which the work has already started in 1788." Porfyrverket did, however, difficulty in disposing of the early 1800s.
Porfyrverkets the then ruler, Eric Hagstrom, let the construction Långö use as a subsidiary. This subsidiary was found to be the more viable of the two plants. Porfyrverkets production fell steadily, and about 1890 seems to manufacturing have been closed definitively. Långö service experienced its heyday right during the 1890s, but was bought in 1910 by Igelfors service in West Yorkshire and was closed.
Porfyrverkets closure about 1890 and Långö mill slowly declining production meant that those who worked there were forced to look for other employment. Such was also then the land reform ended in 1887. Now, given good jobs in the forest.
Emigration
To be able to comment on the 1860s emigration, one must know and remember two things: first, the long line of famine, and the movements of a religious nature, which appeared in the parish in 1850 - and 1860's.
For 1863, emigrants can at least indicate religious grounds likely. There is a man from the Isthmus, who emigrate, presumably to serve as a kind of vanguard, because the rest of the family sets off the following year. The parish catechetical meeting is this family listed as Baptists. Those who in 1863 leaves Garbergs village is noted as the Baptists, but according to church records are not attended either the catechism or communion since 1857. Is it religion or the hard times that this is the reason for emigration, or is it both - and
From Klitten emigrate in 1864 seven persons, who are registered as Baptists. Of the family's five children, two unbaptized, even though they are relatively old, 3 and 5 years. (See above).
It should be mentioned that this year's overall figures, 48 people, one can with the help catechetical length coat, that at least 24 people are Baptists, however, none of the 12 coming from Finnmark, where the Free Church movement came first in the 1920s.
1870 is a quiet period in terms of emigration, but it's the calm before the storm. For this decade, you should have some facts in mind:
tension between the dissenters and the Church is reduced. The authorities are not as hard up as before, and this can be part of the Baptist cause any planned America are ready for the future.
good economic conditions prevailing and the harvest was good, at least during the first half of the decade.
major shift began. This created jobs for some parts of the population.
effects of previous emigrants letters and stories. One can safely assume that as the descriptions provided by those who have been on the Shaker colony in America, had a deterrent effect on prospective emigrants to america.
If the 1870s expatriates give catechetical registers the following information:
1871: Klitten - Baptists.
1873: Brunsberg - man 1869 "escaped to America." Now comes his wife and children behind.
1877: Kyrkobyn: - one of the two women is "a maid in the parson yard" and most recently Transtrand. Most probably, well, that both inspired by depictions of America as the "gold country."
1879: Kyrkobyn - Baptists. "Not nattv. (ARD) since (18) 72.
For the other immigrants in this decade is nothing recorded in parish registers, which can provide information about possible causes of emigration.
In the 1880s, the big shift already advanced so far that people start selling their property: The sale was a hard necessity for the many years of famine. It was the only way to get rid of old debt burdens. Often, the property was wholly or partly set in pledge for loans, a system that has been cultivated for centuries. The extent of these sales was such that it brought the Governor's attention, and in his five-year story in 1885, he writes, among other things. These include: "... after the data obtained from the villages, have already at least 120 land previously sold all his property, or most of it, hvarförutom an equal number of sold parts of his property. Though the area ofthe sold land not less than so high in relation to the parish throughout jordetal, so be, however, the aforementioned 120 soil previously about one sixth of the number of land previously in the parish, and the people who belong to these families, amounting to about 700th in Evert's village, where the largest number of sales made, is already 1 / 5 of all the land sold, and in Klitten village have sale arne lasted almost the same extent. "
The buyers of these properties were timber companies, who now took the opportunity to make brilliant, and in many cases staggering, shops. Due to poor competitive prices could be kept low. Then those who were about to emigrate needed cash, the companies were the only ones who had the financial resources to meet the wide range of estates and forest that came during the 1880s.
As a general cause of the 1880s high emigration figures may be mentioned the lag in the case of old debt burdens that existed. Since now the forest is split into the respective landowners, you could sell, settle his debts and still have a sum over covering travel costs.
To the hypothesis of emigration causes should complement further done. After myrjärnshanteringens decreasing importance were the villages on the east side of the river no other earning opportunities than those Porfyrverket, and later Långö use, could invite. On the west side, however, there were frequent casks manufacturing, and trade trips were to the north and south. Further, the west side residents better opportunities to sustain livestock farming, as they, with about 1 / 3 of the parish's total population was about half the parish land at their disposal to summer pastures, myrslogar and pastures.
Eastside was confined to the area between Österdalälven and the eastern parish boundary. It is true that the ridge by a few mountain areas on the west side of the river, Gessi and Floj, but otherwise was the river an effective border between East and West side.
One can thus say that the sideline along with the better opportunities for livestock meant that the villages west of the river stood a better position to face the hard times and not had to incur debt in the same range as those east of the river residents. "Die klared the best studies so FUA my andeln" said Spil-man, one who figures certainly bear witness.
If the great exodus from Brunsberg in 1881 we know that a certain "Per Päsu Berg fluxed up fuätsed". Here one can speak of a pure mass psychosis, where the villagers arrested by the excitement and sell their farms to the companies. This year emigrate to the oldest person, which I found listed among the emigrants, that the widow Anna Bud Larsdotter, born in 1796! Whether she was living out of this transport, however, say nothing about parish registers.
For Kitta in 1882 says the documents that only a few of the emigrants are Baptists, but since many of the other emigrants have long failed to take communion or attended catechism, one can reasonably suspect that they sympathized with the Baptists.
Among the emigrants of this year were the parents of Axel Olson, who in 1963 visited the valley and then, among other things. a. attended Redoubt party. Axel Olson was a prolific letter writer, and submitted both by mail and at the direct talks, many valuable data on emigrants and their fortunes in America.
To this day, tells much about the emigrants and their departure. In Kitta erupted great lamentation of emigrants departing. They knew that this was the last time you had the opportunity to meet each other, and the public were crying. So, except in some of the "smo-påjksater" which sat at the back of the carriages, and instead gave a long nose or made other faces at "village-man 'and other antagonists at home. For such was his departure from his home village only the beginning of a great adventure. Let us hope, that it passed them and their descendants well!
Big shift meant not only the benefits. As a result of the change forced some families to move from one village to another. These actions caused strong discontent in some circles, and here we have the cause of 1888 years of high emigration figure from Kåtilla, 25 people. They migrated exclusively as a protest against storskiftets results and surveyor's alleged bullying. "Dior wild not cooked the venom errum!"
In other ways, this was dissatisfaction expressed. A family from Östäng, which would have moved to Blyberg, chose instead to sell the farm and move to the People.
All emigrants did not stay in America. Total returned 43 persons, of which 19 pc. to villages west of the river. The parish registers show that all had been away one to two years. Presumably they have at their departure had too high hopes about the opportunities that existed in America and after a sample has preferred to return to his home parish.
Towards the end of the 1890s is changing valley. The parish is, thanks to the income that the forest provides, no longer a backward rural poor. Civilization gain ground gradually, and the centuries-old isolation is broken definitely in 1900, when the railroad Mora - valley opens to traffic. Another sign that a new time breaking in, it can be seen in the fact that "the tougher home-son" Joe Doe Sjödén from Brunsberg, the 16th January this year, get moving papers for emigration to Queensland, Australia.
The statements made here, I have besides the sheer numbers, could only give hints about the causes of emigration. In addition, there are still many problems whose solution would shed more light on not only the causes but also emigration and its effects in general. In this case, jump to the preserved documents and old papers, letters, accounts, inventories and other things, that still exist in the different villages.
We do not yet know how älvdalingarna came in contact with American propaganda. The steamship lines, which arranged the shipment across the Atlantic were generally emigrant recruiters out in the countryside, in order to attract people to America and get them to go play with his own company. How was funded trips? All were unable to sell the property, but was instead may have to borrow money.
How they found life in the new country since it arrived? Corresponded to reality the hopes you had? Was struck emigrants down? Tried to persuade those at home to come after, or discouraged you from emigration? How important are the poor conditions in their home? How important were the dissenters movements in emigration context?
These are some examples of the questions that remains to be answered. No doubt you can find out about the very example. a. because of the letter that the emigrants wrote home district. Overall, probably the old paper that is now in private hands able to provide good knowledge about everything related to emigration, and this is today's river valley, a significant opportunity to shed light on a stage in the parish's history, the effects of which were of such magnitude that they are marked even in our time. Älvdalens parish history is not pre-written! Still there is much to consider. Take this opportunity to help scientists in their attempts to shed light on past conditions.
The final answers to all questions of emigration and its causes, we find not in today's river valley, but across the Atlantic, among the emigrants themselves, their children and grandchildren.
(Source: Redoubt guard no 52, 1967)
And here is something about emigrants från Älvdalen: http://home.swipnet.se/emigration_elfdalen/
I don´t know now if it is relevant for you.
January 23, 2012
Dear all... Erik and Anders were not twins! Sorry! I must have dreamt...
Here are Katarina - with the beautiful name of Mattis-Katarina Ersdotter (shall be Martis) in the Swedish censuses.
As you see she became a widow already 1872. She was only 39 years old and she didn´t remarried.
However, she was a landowner (what ever that means) and a single mother for her four sons Nils, Anders, Erik and Olof.
All of them went to America. Only Olof came back 1933. But she was dead then (1914)
Her only daugher Katarina Olivia died only four months old. Nils and Katarina Olivia were born before Katarina was married. That was a terrible shame in those days, almost a crime. It is easy to understand that her situation was very bad. We don´t know who their father was. It can have been love but it can also be rape or for exampel a rich farmer (if she worked for one) who just took advantage of her.
You must also know that Sweden was very very poor at the time. That´s why 1 of 5 (!) Swedes moved to America! Especially people who had problems in the society like children to unmarried women. No wonder the four brothers went away.
The name of the place in Dalarna is Älvdalen (pronaunce it like E = Elvdalen).
Älv means river and dal means valley.
Census (folkräkningen) 1880 shows who lived in the same household
Post 1880-20-36-248
Mattis-Katarina Ersdotter,
Jordägare Änka (land owner and widdow)
f. 1833 i Älvdalen (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna)
Knubb Anders Erssons enka (widdow)
Änka, mor i familjen (Widdow, mother in the family)
Kumbelnäs
Våmhus (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna)
Registrerad födelseort: Älvdalen Kopparbergs län (born, place)
Post 1880-20-36-249
Nils Erik (Knubb Nils Erik Andersson)
f. 1860 i Älvdalen (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna)
son in the family.
Ogift man, barn i familjen (unmarried, child in the family)
Kumbelnäs
Våmhus (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna)
Registrerad födelseort: Älvdalen Kopparbergs län
Post 1880-20-36-250
Anders (Knubb-Anders Andersson)
f. 1866 i Våmhus (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna)
son.
Ogift man, barn i familjen
Kumbelnäs
Våmhus (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna)
Registrerad födelseort: Våmhus Kopparbergs län
Post 1880-20-36-251
Erik (Knubb-Erik Andersson)
f. 1869 i Våmhus (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna)
son
Ogift man, barn i familjen
Kumbelnäs
Våmhus (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna)
Registrerad födelseort: Våmhus Kopparbergs län
Post 1880-20-36-252
Olof (Knubb-Olof Andersson)
f. 1872 i Våmhus (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna)
s.
Ogift man, barn i familjen
Kumbelnäs
Våmhus (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna)
Registrerad födelseort: Våmhus Kopparbergs län
Census (folkräkningen) 1890
Notise, Katarina is no longer a land owner
Post 4007745
Ersdotter, Katarina
f. 1833 i Älvdalen (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna)
Änka, mor i familjen
Kumbelnäs
Våmhus (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna)
Födelseort i källan: Elfdalen, Kopparbergs l.
Post 4007747
Andersson, Knubb Anders
Jernvägsarbetare (worked with the railroad)
f. 1866 i Våmhus (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna)
son
Ogift man, barn i familjen
Kumbelnäs
Våmhus (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna)
Födelseort i källan: Wåmhus lutherska
Post 4007746
Erik
Jernvägsarbetare (worked with the railroad)
f. 1869 i Våmhus (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna)
s.
Ogift man, barn i familjen
Kumbelnäs
Våmhus (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna)
Födelseort i källan: Wåmhus lutherska
Post 4007748
Olof
f. 1872 i Våmhus (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna)
s.
Ogift man, barn i familjen
Kumbelnäs
Våmhus (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna)
Födelseort i källan: Wåmhus lutherska
Census (folkräkningen) 1900
Post 3014564
Ersdotter, Katarina
f. 1833 i Älvdalen (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna)
Änka, mor i familjen
Lösa personer (hör till Kumbelnäs) She is called "lose person". It must mean no special address.
Våmhus (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna)
Födelseort i källan: Elfdalen Falu l.
Post 3014563
Andersson, Knubb Anders
f. 1866 i Våmhus (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna)
Hennes s.
Ogift man, barn i familjen
Lösa personer (hör till Kumbelnäs) He is called "lose person". It must mean no special address.
Våmhus (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna)
Födelseort i källan: Wåmhus
Census (folkräkningen) 1910
Namn: Katarina Ersdotter
Hemförsamling: Husby
Hemort: Östansjö
Kontrakt: Hedemora
Län: Kopparberg
Födelseår: 1833
Födelseförsamling: Husby Kopparbergs län
Yrke: Hemmansägareänka widdow of a land owner
Civilstånd: Änka/änkling (E) widdow
Kön: Kvinna Woman
Famstkod: Ensamstående (E) Single
Here it says that she was born in Husby (not in Älvdalen) but I can´t find her birth notice in non of the places.
This is the place where Nels came from:
http://www.morastrand.se/bostad/page.aspx?lnkId=452&parent=437,452&pid=165
It belongs to the town Mora with 20 000 inhabitants. It is the same place as to where king Gustav Vasa was skiing 1521 and where the famous dalahäst (Glen knows) comes from.
http://www.morastrand.se/bostad/page.aspx?lnkId=452&parent=437,452&pid=165
It belongs to the town Mora with 20 000 inhabitants. It is the same place as to where king Gustav Vasa was skiing 1521 and where the famous dalahäst (Glen knows) comes from.
January 24, 2012
This is the family of Katarina (Catharina) in the so called husförhörslängden (HFL) (that is the church book showing what the preast
found out of the family when visiting the household yearly to interrogate (check) if the family members could read and if they knew their bible. To
most of the people this visites was terrible. Everybody was afraid to fail the interview and make the priest angry. Thanks to these books we are today
able to follow the families. Below you can see Katarinas family at No 8 in the village South Garberg in Älvdalen, Kopparberg (Dalarna) in the HFL
1826-1836. Katarina was the youngest child born 1833 and the family had return to Garberg after ten years in Medelpad (another part of Sweden like Dalarna and Dalsland) November 1, 1835. It is so far unknown where in Medelpad they lived. But here they are:
Syster = sister
Broder/bror = brother
Hustru = wife
Son = son
Moder = mother
Page: Gid 2186.59.43400
Sister Marit Persdotter born 1794
Broder Mattis/Martis Eric Persson 1802 14/6 (married 1824) (grandfather of Nels Anderson)
Hustru Carin Matsdotter 1798 (Nels Andersons grandmother)
Dotter Anna born 1824 8/11
Dotter Martha 1826 12/9
Son: Per Johan 1828 17/12
Son: Eric Ola 1831 19/8
Dotter: Catharina 1833 10/8
In next book (hfl 1837-1847) (Gid 2186.36.70.200)
the family live at No 9 in South Garberg. There is also a son Anders Eriksson born 1836 15/6
All children shall have Mattis/Martis- before their name and is called Ericsson (boys) and Ericsdotter (girls) ssince they are children of Mattis-Eric Persson (whos father must have been called Per.
Below at the same page it says:
Mother: Anna Andersdotter born 1763, married 1787 (This is the mother of Mattis-Eric Persson and the grandmother of Catharina and great grandmother of Nels Anderson) She moved 1841 from No 9 in Garberg to No 8. In next book (hfl 1837-1847) she did move from No 8 in Garberg to ?
In (hfl 1847-1856) (Gid 2186.41.1100)
The family live in No 10, Garberg.
- Daugther Martha/Märta is unmarried but has got a son called Pehr born 24/8 1851 in Sundsvall, Medelpad (where the family lived before).
- Son Pehr/Per is now a soldier posted in (Garberg?) in a very special military system that we had for a long time a go. It was a way of living. As a soldier he had a little house, some land, maybe a cow and a low but at least an income.
- Son Eric is called "Fogde" that in the next book is the name of his brother Anders. Maybe the priest was drunk?
In (hfl 1857-1866) (Gid 2186.16.4900)
Tthe family still live in No 10 Garberg Wife
- Carin is somehow disable and can not work. The years 1865 and 1866 are mentioned. (those, especially 1867, were the worst years of starvation in Sweden)
- Marthas bastad son Per had (I think it says) been punished with physical abuse because of a small theft 8/6 1865 when he was almost 14 years old. Remember it might have been food. I also think the note said that he was thrown out of the house. There is also a note in june 1869 but I don´t know what it means.
- Son Eric is called Soldier No 147.
- Daughter Catharina gets permission from the priest to move to Skön near Sundsvall in Medelpad 1859/60. However, the priest there never wrote in his books that she arrived. She must have returned cause she is still written in Älvdalen (hfl 1857-1866) but now as an unmarried mother of two bastards:
- Catharinas bastard son Nils Eric born 29/7 1860. He moves 1865 at the age of 5 and by himself to the town Mora.
- Chatharinas bastard daugheter Cathrina Olivia born 30/5 1862. Död 19/9 1862 i Undersvik.
- Son Anders is called Soldier 118 Anders Fogde. Fogde seams to be his Soldier name. He is married (1859) and has four children. Anders was of some reason 1865 sentenced to pay fines. It might have had something to do with – a small theft (hard to read).
In (hfl 1867-1876) (Gid 2186.26.71000)
The family lives in No 8 Garberg
Martis-Erik Persson died 29/4 1874. The book says he was burried in Wämhus.
Wife Carin died 1866.
- Daughter Marthas bastad son Per Persson (he took her mothers family name) is now called soldier No 117. He also got a special soldier name (Hilling or
Hästring) and is therefore called Per Persson Hilling. The Priest wrote that he was punished with physical abuse because of a small theft 1865. I realise it must have been public somehow! Good for him to be a soldier now.
- Son Anders now lives at No 8 1/2 in Garberg. He is called Soldier No 118 Anders Eriksson Fogde.He is married and has seven children. He was fired 1874 but it doesn´t mean he did something wrong. I just might have been to old or sick for the job.
- Daughter Catharina moved out. She married Knubb-Anders Andersson 1865 9/10 i Wåmhus (eng about Waamhouse) but the book doesn´t say so.
In (hfl 1877-1886)
- Daughter Martha is called a maid. She lives At No 8 in Garberg with her bastard sone Per Persson (Hästring?) and is still Soldier No 117. There is just the two of them.
- Son Soldier Anders Ersson Fogde moved from No 8 1/2 in Garberg to No 3 in Garberg with wife and six children. The family move to W Mycklinge (?) 1884
24/10.
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Martis-Catharina Ersdotter or Mattis-Katarina Ersdotter whatever you prefer moved to Kumbelnäs in Wåmhus, Kopparberg (Dalarna) 26/6 1865 and married
Knubb-Anders Ersson 9/10 1865.
In Wåmhus (hfl 1861-1870) (Gid 148.108.30700) the church book tells about the household:
Knubb Anders Ersson born 1813 24/7
Hustru: Catharina Ersdotter 1833 10/8 in Elfdalen (Älvdalen)
The bastard of the wife: Nils Eric 1860 29/7
Their mutual son: Anders 1866 4/3
In the same book (Gid 148.108.32700):
The family moved to another house/farm, No 38 in Kumbelnäs October 1866 where his mother lived.
Mother/widow Kerstin Larsdotter 1788 ?/9 - married 1812 - She must be the mother of Knubb Anders Eriksson
Son: Knubb Andrs Ersson 1813 24/7
Wife: Kerstin Persdotter 1808 4/1 - dead 28/4 1865 (hard to read the year)
Wife: Catharina Ersdotter 1833 10/2 (wrong month)
The bastard of the wife: Nils Eric 1860 29/7
Son of both: Anders 1866 4/3
Son: Erik 1869 21/2
In next book (hfl 1881-1890) (Gid 148.106.31200) Widower Sparr-Anders Ersson 1849 3/10 - married 1870, widower 1873.
Strange, but he seam to belongthere - but he might not.
Knubb Anders Ersson f 1813 24/7 dead 14/12 1872
Widow Katarina Ersdotter Mattis 1833 10/2 (still wrong month) in Elfdalen,
Kopparbergs län, married 1865, widow 1872
Bastad son Nils Erik born 1860 29/7. He moves 22/11 1856 to another farm in Kumbelnäs, Wåmhus, and finally get rid of the word bastad - see below.
Knubb Anders Andersson 1866 4/3
Son Eric 1869 21/2
Son Olof 1872 20/2
(Here a lot is written about the boys except Nils Eric that I cannot read) Both left for Ashland.
In the same book, next page (Gid 148.106.31300) another house/farm in Kumbelnäs.I suppose he was a farm-worker. Now his name is:
Knubb-Nils Erik Andersson 1860 29/7.
Here he seams to stay here until he emigrates to North Amerika 11/5 1888.
By the way,
Now I know that Margareta Olsson who married Nels Andersons brother Eric came from the same place as he in Sweden. They knew each other already then.
- They moved to Wisconsin and married the girl next door, Roland Skoglund (who helped us to find the family) says.
And finally I find Nels Anderson on the passengers list on the boat to America.
He is noticed twice, called Knubb Nils and Knubb Nils Erik A:s.
He is 28 years old.
He went by boat from Gothemburg (Göteborg) in southwest of Sweden 18/5 1888
with destination Ashland, Wisconsin. It is strange, he must have known someone there?!
All emigrants usually had to change boat in England.
It´s noted Knubb Nils Erik Anderson was not traveling alone. So who did he travel with?
However, 23 persons from Wåmhus went with the same boat
Only 3 went to Ashland, Wisconsin
They were:
Knubb Nils Erik Anderson,
Anna Olsson born 1846/47 and
Margareta Olsson born1876/77
Maybe they were mother and daughter.
Maybe the daughter is the same Margaret Olsson who later married Nels Andersons brother Eric
Maybe Anna Olsson is the same person as Margaret Olsson living at Nels Andersons farm at the Census 1910?
Totally 1055 persons from the small place Wåmhus went to Amerika!
A Knubb Erik Ersson went to Amerika from Kronbo, Mora, Dalarna already 1850 25/9. He must have been family.
Knubb Nils Erik Andersson went to Ashland in Amerika 18/5 1888
Knubb Olof Andersson went to Ashland in Amerika 11/11 1892
Erik Andersson went to Ashland in Amerika 11/11 1892
A Andersson went to Ashland in Amerika 19/2 1902 (probably Anders)
Olof was the only one to return 1933
18720220-715
Andersson, Knubb Olof
Kumbelnäs
Död Dead 16/8 1957.
Kyrkobokförd i Våmhus, Våmhus kn (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna).
Född 20/2 1872 i Våmhus (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna).
Ogift man. Unmarried man
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Motsvarande kyrkobokföringsförsamling(ar) 1/1 2010:
Mora, Mora kn (Dalarnas län, Dalarna)
Födelseförsamling i källan:
Våmhus (Kopparbergs län)
Dear Bruce,
Did you ever hear of these peoples and their lives in Sweden?
It would be interesting to know.
I think it was very good for Katarinas boys to move to America. As it seems from here they got a far better life.
Please excuse the language! I´m doing my best.
But now I must work. That´s all for now
Monica
January 24, 2012
What a wealth of information - thank you so much, Monica!
Lynn
January, 24, 2012
Thanks Monica,
This is really fun! I'm following along when I can -
very busy on this silly Spiderman movie...
Din Gamla Knarrig Fan,
DG mc$
Glen
January 24, 2012
Hi Monica,
No, I never heard about those folks and their lives in Sweden. Thanks for all the info......
January 24, 2012
Hi Monica....I thought you might like this picture of the bait holder Grandpa Nels made while visiting our cabin at Hunter Lake near Duluth. He carved it from wood and birch bark, and kept worms in it. He loved fishing, and used to set out a pole he cut from a small tree at night, and in the morning it would usually hae a cat fish on the hook.
January 25, 2012
Thank you Monica. This is wonderful information. I will chart this up and see if I can find some more info on any of their kin in my files. It is times like these that I wish my mother was still living. She loved learning and tracking her ancestors. Don't apologize about your English, you are doing extremely well.
Love to all,
Neva
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